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March 17, 2008 by kj

Let’s do another bracket contest.  There’ll be no prize this time.  We’ll be playing only for the love of the game.

The problem I always have with traditional NCAA bracket contests is that there’s little room for creativity.  Outside of a few cases where one might think the selection committee seeded a team inconsistent with their true ability, the rational strategy is to pick the higher-seeded team in each match-up.

A few years ago, a friend told me about an alternate, unconventional way of running a bracket contest.  I’ve always wanted to do this, but never had a forum where I thought enough people would be interested.  But you guys will be hip to this jive, I’m sure of it.

Here it is:

  • Each entrant picks a list of 16 teams from the 64-team NCAA bracket.
  • For each game a team on your list wins, you receive points equal to the team’s seed.  Example: If you pick an 8 seed and they win 2 games before losing in the third round, you get 16 points.  This creates an incentive to look for lower-seeded teams likely to pull upsets.
  • There are bonuses of 5 points each for (1) making the Final Four, (2) making the championship game, and (3) winning the national championship.  So picking a 1 seed who wins the national championship would be worth 21 points (6 points for their 6 wins plus 5 points each for the three bonuses).  This keeps the top seeds in play as potential picks.

You’re intrigued, aren’t you?  I can hear the wheels already turning in your brain.  Here’s the official bracket, so you can get started.

Entries must be posted in the comments section of this blog post by noon on Thursday.  Just list your 16 teams in any order (hint: the best strategy is generally to pick one team from each 4-team “pod”).  No tie-breaker.  If there’s a tie, the multiple winners will simply have to divvy up the bragging rights into equal parts.

Posted in ncaa tournament contest | 29 Comments

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  1. on March 17, 2008 at 7:07 pm Dan

    Interesting idea for a contest. Not sure the best strategy is to go with one team from each pod – if I went with the projected top 16 teams if my bracket turned out perfect, I would have four empty pods and four with two teams. Decided not to go with that completely – where I could swap without losing too much (or by dropping my dubious “glory pick” from the list in favor of a much safer bet to win once and pick up a decent number of points), I did.

    My picks: UNC, Wazzu, St Joe’s, Butler, Kent State, Villanova, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, Mississippi State, MSU, Oral Roberts, Texas, UCLA, Drake, Xavier, Arizona

    These aren’t the 16 highest according to my bracket, though – to get those I would swap Washington State, Mississippi State, and Butler for Arkansas, Boise State, and St. Mary’s. Curious which way ends up better.


  2. on March 17, 2008 at 7:30 pm Dan

    By the way, going straight chalk in a normal bracket contest is a good strategy for placing in the top half. It’s a terrible strategy for winning the whole thing, because someone always gets the crazy picks right. You need to get most of the upsets right to win any pool of reasonable size.


  3. on March 18, 2008 at 10:30 am TMadison25

    My picks (in order of how many points they are going to score):
    Villanova, Western Kentucky, UNC, Davidson, Texas, Purdue, Wisconsin, MSU, Winthrop, Marquette, St. Joseph’s, Kansas St., Notre Dame, South Alabama, Arizona, UCLA.

    Booya-kasha


  4. on March 18, 2008 at 12:41 pm kj

    My picks:

    Arkansas
    Louisville
    Butler
    Kansas
    Villanova
    Kansas State
    Davidson
    Mississipi St
    Pittsburgh
    Kentucky
    St. Mary’s
    BYU
    UConn
    Texas
    Purdue
    Duke

    In doing this myself, I think Dan is right–picking one team from each pod may not be the best strategy. Good place to start, though.


  5. on March 18, 2008 at 1:50 pm GBBound

    North Carolina
    UCLA
    Wisconsin
    Kansas
    Texas
    Duke
    Michigan State
    Louisville
    Clemson
    St. Mary’s
    Baylor
    Davidson
    Kansas State
    Stanford
    Notre Dame
    UConn


  6. on March 18, 2008 at 3:45 pm wifeofaspartan

    Louisville
    Wisconsin
    North Carolina
    Clemson
    Michigan State
    Texas
    Memphis
    Marquette
    UCLA
    Purdue
    Drake
    Kansas
    Butler
    Duke
    Washington State
    gonzaga


  7. on March 18, 2008 at 8:09 pm Erik J

    North Carolina
    Notre Dame
    Louisville
    Tennessee
    Kansas
    Clemson
    Wisconsin
    Georgetown
    Memphis
    Michigan State
    Marquette
    Texas
    UCLA
    UConn
    Xavier
    Duke


  8. on March 19, 2008 at 11:13 am Dave

    UNC
    Notre Dame
    St. Joe’s
    Butler
    Clemson
    Wisconsin
    Davidson
    MSU
    Stanford
    Texas A&M
    Drake
    Purdue
    Arizona
    Kent State
    Mississippi State
    UCLA


  9. on March 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm Dr Huxtable

    Kansas
    UCLA
    Texas
    Georgetown
    Louisville
    Marquette
    Michigan State
    Purdue
    Indiana
    Kent State
    Davidson
    South Alabama
    Kansas State
    Western Kentucky
    Siena
    Georgia

    I had to put a lot more thought into this than I was expecting. Should be fun to see how this turns out.


  10. on March 19, 2008 at 7:13 pm spartanproducer

    My picks

    UCLA
    North Carolina
    Purdue
    Michigan State
    Davidson
    Texas
    Georgetown
    Indiana
    Butler
    Villanova
    Drake
    USC
    Louisville
    Stanford
    Vanderbilt
    Marquette


  11. on March 20, 2008 at 9:01 am Kurt

    UCLA
    Tennessee
    Washington State
    Michigan State
    Texas
    Georgetown
    Davidson
    St. Mary’s
    Kentucky
    Butler
    Villanova
    W. Kentucky
    Arizona
    Xavier
    Connecticut
    Stanford

    I play in an NFL playoff pool that is similar, only without the bonus points. I find it to be a more intellectual experiment. Though with the NFL there’s fewer teams. I just sorta flew through this one!


  12. on March 20, 2008 at 9:35 am Hoopraker

    Best of luck today and into the weekend Spartan Nation. Kick some arse!

    Here are Hoopraker’s picks:

    North Carolina
    Wisconsin
    Washington State
    Michigan State
    Purdue
    Butler
    Marquette
    Texas
    Memphis
    UCLA
    Drake
    Arizona
    Vanderbilt
    Kansas
    Tennessee
    Pittsburgh

    Cheers.


  13. on March 20, 2008 at 9:53 am Devin

    Go Big Ten!

    Indiana
    Washington state
    St. Joe’s
    Tennessee
    Kansas
    Clemson
    Wisconsin
    Davidson
    Memphis
    Michigan State
    Stanford
    St. Mary’s
    UCLA
    Western Kentucky
    Xavier
    West Virginia


  14. on March 20, 2008 at 10:28 am NorthernSparty

    MSU
    Indiana
    Butler
    K State
    Drake
    Marquette
    Louisville
    Texas
    U Conn
    Vandy
    Gonzaga
    Notre Dame
    Kentucky
    Xavier
    Purdue
    Wisconsin


  15. on March 20, 2008 at 2:28 pm Dan

    I’m working on a spreadsheet for scorekeeping, just a couple of quick notes:

    kj: only person with Arkansas, BYU; only one without MSU, UCLA
    GBBound: only person with Baylor
    Dr Huxtable: only person with Georgia and Siena
    Me: only person with Oral Roberts
    Dave: only person with Texas A&M
    spartanproducer: only person with USC
    Devin: only person with West Virginia
    TMadison25: only person with Winthrop
    46 teams total selected


  16. on March 20, 2008 at 3:56 pm kj

    Dan is hereby appointed Official Scorekeeper of the Spartans Weblog.


  17. on March 20, 2008 at 4:30 pm Dan

    Okay, results through 7 games:

    Hoopraker 22 (5-0 record for teams picked)
    wifeofaspartan 18 (4-0)
    Dr Huxtable 18 (4-2)
    TMadison25 17 (3-0)
    spartanproducer 17 (3-0)
    Erik J 15 (4-0)
    Dave 11 (3-1)
    kj 11 (4-1)
    Devin 9 (3-0)
    Kurt 8 (3-1)
    Dan 8 (4-2)
    GBBound 6 (3-1)


  18. on March 20, 2008 at 4:33 pm Dan

    Wait, some of the team records are incorrect. Dave is 2-1, kj 3-1, Kurt 2-1, Dan 2-2, GBBound 2-1. (Forgot that the spreadsheet was showing total games, not wins.) Point totals should be right, though. Let me know if there are any other inaccuracies.


  19. on March 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm kj

    Dan, NorthernSparty’s entry (#14) got caught in the spam filter.

    Thanks a bunch for tracking the scores.


  20. on March 20, 2008 at 4:55 pm Dan

    No problem. NorthernSparty is at 20 points (4-1).


  21. on March 20, 2008 at 11:19 pm Dan

    End-of-Thursday update:

    NorthernSparty 39 (7-1)
    TMadison25 37 (7-2)
    Dave 32 (7-2)
    GBBound 31 (8-1)
    Hoopraker 30 (8-1)
    Dr Huxtable 30 (6-2)
    wifeofaspartan 28 (8-0)
    Devin 27 (8-0)
    Erik J 26 (8-0)
    kj 24 (5-2)
    spartanproducer 21 (5-1)
    Kurt 16 (5-2)
    Dan 16 (5-3)

    That’s what I get for going with the crazy picks. (Of course, if it works, I win big.)


  22. on March 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm Dan

    After session 2 on Friday:

    TMadison25 61 (10-3)
    Dr Huxtable 56 (10-3)
    Devin 51 (11-1)
    Kurt 51 (11-4)
    Dave 49 (9-3)
    NorthernSparty 48 (9-4)
    GBBound 43 (10-3)
    kj 43 (8-4)
    spartanproducer 42 (9-2)
    Hoopraker 41 (11-2)
    wifeofaspartan 37 (10-2)
    Erik J 32 (11-1)
    Dan 25 (7-5)

    Think it’s safe to say I’m not winning.


  23. on March 21, 2008 at 11:29 pm Dan

    Standings after round 1:

    kj 75 (12 teams surviving)
    TMadison25 74 (12)
    Dr Huxtable 72 (12)
    Kurt 63 (12)
    spartanproducer 58 (12)
    Dave 58 (11)
    Devin 52 (12)
    NorthernSparty 51 (10)
    GBBound 47 (12)
    Dan 46 (10)
    Hoopraker 43 (13)
    wifeofaspartan 42 (13)
    Erik J 37 (14)


  24. on March 21, 2008 at 11:35 pm kj

    Go ‘Nova and K-State!


  25. on March 22, 2008 at 2:26 pm TMadison25

    …and kj takes the lead. This has been an entertaining bracket for sure.

    I’m with you on ‘Nova, kj. I’ve successfully picked all 4 correct teams in the infamous 5/12 matchups.

    Tell me some of you were watching that Western Kentucky/Drake game live? Saw that matchup from start to finish. That is why March Madness is the best. Two schools that the majority of people know nothing about, but turn heads and captures the talk of sports for a day.


  26. on March 22, 2008 at 2:30 pm Dan

    Yeah, the WKU/Drake game was a blast. Had it on MMOD whenever they were showing something else live.

    I had the right number of upsets this year, just missed horribly on which ones. I don’t know why I let my friend talk me out of Siena, and I knew there would be a 13 so I decided to go with ORU instead. And who would have thought OU and Miami, the two major-conference at-larges to be outscored in conference play, would both advance?


  27. on March 22, 2008 at 10:53 pm Dan

    Well, today was much kinder to my bracket – got 7 out of 8, and the only miss was picking the wrong team to upset Duke.

    As for the contest:

    TMadison25 83 (3 advanced to the Sweet 16, 5 in play tomorrow)
    Kurt 79 (5, 7)
    Devin 78 (7, 5)
    Dr Huxtable 78 (2, 7)
    kj 75 (0, 8)
    Dave 70 (4, 4)
    spartanproducer 67 (3, 7)
    Dan 62 (5, 5)
    NorthernSparty 62 (3, 3)
    GBBound 59 (4, 5)
    Hoopraker 56 (4, 6)
    wifeofaspartan 55 (4, 6)
    Erik J 49 (4, 7)


  28. on March 22, 2008 at 10:54 pm Dan

    That smiley for kj was supposed to be 8 teams in play tomorrow.


  29. on March 16, 2009 at 7:50 pm Pick your 16 | Spartans Weblog

    [...] have one more DVD to give out, so we’ll do an NCAA Tournament contest, too.  Like last year, though, we’ll mix things up.  Any schmuck can fill out a bracket by picking the higher seed [...]



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